Anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and their potential impact on children’s health

MapThe Los Angeles Times recently published a piece titled: “Measles is spreading, and the anti-vaccine movement is the cause”, and as you can imagine, this caught my attention.

Recently, I have had an empirical paper published in the open-access journal PLOS ONE, with Karen Douglas, my co-author and PhD supervisor.  In two studies, we investigated the potential impact of anti-vaccine conspiracy beliefs – such as the belief that research on vaccine efficacy is manipulated to make profits for pharmaceutical companies -, and exposure to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, on vaccination intentions.

In the first study, we surveyed 89 parents about their views on anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and then asked them to indicate their intention to have a fictional child vaccinated.  It was found stronger belief in anti-vaccine conspiracy theories was associated with lower intentions to vaccinate.  This relationship was found to be explained by three factors: perceived dangers of vaccines, feelings of powerlessness and mistrust in authorities.

In the second study, using an experimental design, we aimed to replicate and extend these findings by investigating the casual relationship. To do this, we exposed 188 participants to information concerning anti-vaccine conspiracy theories or information refuting such theories.  We also included a control condition where no exposure occurred.  It was found that exposure to pro- conspiracy material reduced their intention to have a fictional child vaccinated, relative to those who were given refuting information, or in a control condition.  The same factors again explained this relationship (perceived dangers of vaccines, feelings of powerlessness and mistrust in authorities).

Referring back to the Los Angeles Times piece, our research certainly provides some evidence towards their conclusion.  Here, we suggest that anti-vaccine conspiracy theories may have more than a trivial effect on vaccination intentions.  Our work demonstrates empirically, and to our knowledge for the first time, that anti-vaccine conspiracy theories may therefore present an obstacle to vaccine uptake.  The implications of this work has the potential to be wide reaching, such as highlighting the importance of public policy taking in to account conspiracy theories (as discussed previously on this blog), and also calling for further investigations to identify the social consequences of conspiracism.

We also found some other interesting things as well – such as relating to the role of misinformation, and the potential for conspiracy information being resistant to correction. As PLOSONE is an open-access journal, where it is available to all, if you are interested in reading the whole paper, you can for free.

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40 Responses to Anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and their potential impact on children’s health

  1. G says:

    When I was a kid, everyone got their shots, and conspiracy theory beliefs of any kind were a tiny fringe position, laughable and for the most part harmless.

    Anti-vax CT crosses the line to something that causes real harm: sick and dead children. We have finally reached the point where we have to take CT seriously. When seen in this light, the proliferation of various types of mutually-reinforcing CT via the mass media (Glenn Beck and others) is no longer something we can dismiss as an oddity or cultural fad.

    It strikes me that one of the most effective ways to fight CT is with humor and ridicule. I’m wondering what your thoughts are about that, and about effective strategies & tactics generally.

  2. Jenn says:

    People change their minds once considering the evidence of the ‘conspiracy theorists’ because they start thinking for themselves and go hmmm….something is not right here. Every person I know will tell someone a ‘conspiracy theory’ and tell them to please research it for themselves and only believe what resonates with them, because it is all about free will. People CAN think for themselves you know, despite what mainstream media tells you everyday. And once they are informed on both sides, they can make an informed decision. People who only consider one side, will never be able to make an informed decision. So I think it is great to see that once people are given information on the ‘other side’ of the story, they think for themselves and change their minds.

    Logic is one thing that conspiracy theorists have a lot of. We connect the dots and put the puzzle pieces together. We don’t just believe something because we are told to believe it. We think for ourselves. And find things ‘odd’ and wonder things like, how is it that they can determine the increase in measles is because of anti-vaccines, within just weeks of measle season, but they can’t do any independent research into the anti-vaccine claims that would make them moot or proven wrong. The anti-vaccine claims however have scientific evidence to support their claims, done by independent people who are not paid to produce the ‘favourable’ results big pharma wants. Why was there an ‘epidemic’ of the flu last year, the media was all over it, fear-mongering, scaring the public so they would all wait 3 hours in a line to get vaccinations, but the epidemic only lasted until all of the vaccines were gone? Why was the epidemic non-existant at that point? Hmmmm…..

    Vaccines cause sick and dead children. This is a proven, scientific fact. Have you checked the Gardasil stats lately? Why do they have this Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund if vaccines are oh-so-safe?? “The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund provides funding for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines administered on or after October 1, 1988.”

    If you could refute all of the anti-vaccination claims with solid, independent, scientfic evidence, maybe some of us critical thinkers would consider what you are saying. But making claims, with no independent scientific/medical evidence (this is key), is preposterous and one might consider you more of a danger to society than someone who wants to keep themselves and their family safe and healthy, and un-poisoned.

    • “Logic is one thing that conspiracy theorists have a lot of. We connect the dots and put the puzzle pieces together.”

      haha that’s called apophenia, it’s not logic or intelligence, it’s just basic pattern detection, and technically it’s really basic mental juggling. Most often apophenia is inaccurate and shown to be completely wild speculation based off guesswork and misinterpretation of input.

      “Vaccines cause sick and dead children. This is a proven, scientific fact. Have you checked the Gardasil stats lately? Why do they have this Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund if vaccines are oh-so-safe?? “The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund provides funding for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines administered on or after October 1, 1988.””

      A tiny amount of people have negative reactions to immunisation, so small in fact that the stats are insignificant. There are far less people ill affected by it, the reason the fund exits is to protect people just in case, that’s called human decency. and says nothing about the minor stats you are attempting to bolster. There’s really no comparison, and your attempt to use false balance throughout your argument fails.

      “If you could refute all of the anti-vaccination claims with solid, independent, scientfic evidence, maybe some of us critical thinkers would consider what you are saying.”

      You aren’t a critical thinker, you are just critical.

  3. Gray says:

    Many of the main propagators of vaccine  CT’s also propagate  (Depopulation conspiracy theory) an idea that the New World  Order plans to reduce global populations reducing the number of “eaters”. At the same time these people also propagate propagate anti GM CT’s.

    Seems and anti vaccine conspiracy could indeed help in reducing population, those that subscribe to these conspiracies seem to play into the hands of the conspirators. 

    Anti GM also plays to the NWO hands slowing food production, theorized lack of food is a motivator for many depopulation CT’s

    It would be  interesting to know how logical people can except these conflicting ideas.

  4. David Villarrubia says:

    “haha that’s called apophenia, it’s not logic or intelligence, it’s just basic pattern detection, and technically it’s really basic mental juggling. Most often apophenia is inaccurate and shown to be completely wild speculation based off guesswork and misinterpretation of input.”
    -In addition to this it’s linked to a cognative bias called a cluster illusion…

  5. Reformed Conspiracist says:

    I saw this issue coming a few years back: firstly because of the anti-MMR campaign and, secondly, because of the Polio issue. Polio, a true killer of children, was close to being eradicated worldwide a few years ago with just a couple of pockets in West Africa and Central Asia, however, it is becoming established again because conspiracy theories (this time from an Islamist bent) have spread and established that the Americans (particularly) and the Red Cross and/or UN (who are supposedly their agents) are using the vaccines to ‘kill their children’. To this end Red Cross workers have been killed in Pakistan (if I remember correctly). This ICRC/ UN distrust seems to be directly routed, ironically, in the US Christian conpiracy community. The consequence of this is that Syria (for all it’s myriad faults), which had a polio vaccination programme, had eradicated polio – four years of conflict later with children unable to get vaccinated and infected foreign fighters pouring into the zone and polio has taken hold and is killing and crippling dozens again. Sadly, this doesn’t make the news anywhere near as much when compared to problems in the US.

    (I love the argument that ‘we all have free will’ and should choose ‘what resonates’. Whether we really have free will is an argument for another day but choosing ‘what resonates’ sounds less like ‘critical thinking’ and more like gut instinct!)

    The US may have ‘Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund’ but the UK has an Uninsured Drivers Compensation Scheme… clearly this is part of some Government (presumably ‘Big’ Government) conspiracy to help ‘Big’ Insurance? Or maybe it’s just common decency again.

    (And don’t things always sound more ‘sinister’ if you prefix them with ‘Big’? Pharma, Tobacco, Oil, Content, Psych., Tech., etc. That’s free-market (free-willed) capitalism for you. The only alternative is… Communism… even bigger Government! Which Conspiracy Theorists aren’t that keen on either!)

    As mentioned above, vaccines do, sadly, sometimes have adverse side effects but that could be said of many things. ‘Vaccines cause sick and dead children’ (not adults apparently because that’s less emotive) but then again… so do peanuts! Is this part of some sinister conspiracy? Is a ban on peanuts and peanut butter the result of a conspiracy between shadowy forces and ‘Big Peanut’? Is Sun Pat out to kill our kids? Probably not. But I just joined some dots, put the puzzle pieces together, made connections… and guess what? ‘Big’ Brother just got me making ‘2+2=5’.

    As for whether vaccines do or don’t work… let’s take a straw poll of all those people currently suffering from Smallpox. Wait. Can’t. Smallpox has been successfully vaccinated out of the world’s population.

  6. Graham says:

    The latest episode (82) of the Virtual Skeptics VidCast series dealt with this concept in Eve Siebert’s segment. Conspiracy Theorists prefer to argue in a ‘stream of consciousness’ style and prefer to have their audience ‘fill in the blanks’. The classic example is the ‘Protocols of Zion” in which the plans of the Jews are described in broad brush strokes with the reader left to fill in the details of just how these things are to be accomplished.

    • hybridrogue1 says:

      –“Conspiracy Theorists prefer to argue in a ‘stream of consciousness’”~Graham

      Whereas the truth of the matter is that “Coincidence Theorists” prefer to argue from a base of ignorance which can make the absurd statement below:

      –“the ‘Protocols of Zion” in which the plans of the Jews are described in broad brush strokes with the reader left to fill in the details of just how these things are to be accomplished.”

      One would have to have never actually read the ‘Protocols of Zion to come up with such obvious nonsense. The Protocols are neither vague nor are they “to be accomplished”, in the future tense the statement posits.

      The Protocols are an exposition of very specific agenda drafting a design of very specific strategies and even tactics. That the future envisioned has come to pass with uncanny precision, one can only suppose metaphysical powers of prophesy, or admit future/now present was engineered.

      One should note as well that Zionism is not exclusively “Jewish” it has naught to do with religion. There are Christian Zionists, Atheist Zionist as well as “Ashkenazim Zionists”.
      Zionism is a credo based on the tenants of “might is right” and “the means are justified by ends”. Both propositions are obvious logical fallacies.
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  7. TinyCO2 says:

    As an interested follower of pandemic science I’ve often observed nascent conspiracy ideation, even amongst those who most fervently support vaccination. From this one might conclude that it gets everywhere but knowing more about what sparks it I can say that there are logical reasons why such thinking arises and I’m sorry but experts and government authorities should shoulder at least half the blame.

    There is a tendency for intelligent people to underestimate the public’s ability to sense or uncover half truths and also there’s a practice of lumping the very brightest lay person in with the dumbest. Messages are often aimed at the lowest common denominator and in consequence gloss over countless issues that the public might want to know about and in many cases need to know. Edicts are often made in the form ‘nanny knows best, do as you’re told’. That attitude goes down sooo well. The more authorities reduce the story to its basics the more the public, quite rightly, assumes there’s more to it than the authorities are telling. They’re sometimes, but not always, right that what the authorities are keeping quiet, are things that would make the lay person balk. The thinking goes that if they told the truth, the public would never co-operate. Possibly true but in our mass information world, someone WILL tell them the truth and at that point the public are doubly convinced the government is up to no good. Even more ludicrous is when a government withholds information simply because it would make the message too complicated. They create an unconvincing argument because some might not understand the details.

    When it comes to vaccines, there are known and documented issues, especially with adjuvents. There are and always will be hazards for some people. Antivirals have a chequered history of success, failure and side effects. I’m not even sure the authorities know now whether it’s worth stocking the most common versions, let alone issuing them for anything other than a serious pandemic. By pretending these issues don’t exist, the conspiracists are right, we are being lied to and there is a conspiracy of sorts. For the public, only time can tell them if THIS time the authorities are right and not just guessing. It’s also worth noting that governments and politicians DO lie. Mostly it’s because they think it’s the right thing to do but not always. Expenses scandal?

    The MMR fiasco was a perfect example of experts creating the conspiracy. Firstly the Wakefield paper was the child of peer review, which is held up as a gold standard but is little more than well edited trade literature. Peer review is not a measure of accuracy but it is held up as such and any paper that successfully negotiates the arbitrary hurdles, automatically gains legitimacy. Are we then surprised when the public latch on to a paper like Wakefield’s and become alarmed? Worse, the main method for correcting peer reviewed literature is to either write a few lines of rebuttal or write another paper. Both of these have major problems and as we saw with MMR, by the time the rebuttal papers were in print, the damage had been done. Wakefield’s paper wasn’t retracted until he was struck off as a doctor almost 10 years later and the medical board investigation was probably only triggered by the dogged persistence of a journalist. The key to breaking Wakefield’s credibility was in the data for the study, data Brian Deer could only access because of American disclosure rules for the libel case Wakefield tried to bring against the journalist. It was a real mess and are the public to blame for suspecting somebody was lying?

    There is an increasing use of expert testimony as a way to prod the public into compliance. Politicians and sometimes the scientists themselves like to gloss over the limitations of knowledge. They substitute expert opinion for actual facts but don’t flag up where one stops and the other starts. When the public finds out for themselves and get angry are they guilty of conspiracy ideation, or is there really a conspiracy, albeit one without nefarious intent?

  8. hybridrogue1 says:

    But there ARE harmful side effects to vaccines and these are well known and proven.
    So putting the issue in terms of “conspiracy theory” is dishonest hand-waving and dismissal of the real facts. Mercury is a known toxin, and it is a substance that many if not most vaccines contain.

    Big Pharma has immense political influence, as do all major corporations. In fact it is historically proven that the notion that government in the West are “Democracies” is pure unmitigated propaganda, that these governments are in fact ‘Corporatist’ and ruled by a small elite oligarchy.

    And these facts are smothered by the Public Relations Regime of the said corporatist states and derided as “conspiracy theory”. And this comes full circle back to this article and this blog, which is dedicated to the same PR agenda. This article, as most on this site is corporatist propaganda. As with most sophisticated propaganda it is based on omission more than commission of outright lies.
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  9. AntiFuckWit says:

    The great thing about dumb Americans fucktards not taking their vaccines is fewer dumb Americans fucktards. These fucktards are doing the world a service. Natural selection. Which most of them are too stupid to believe in. Let alone understand. Hybridrogue deserves polio – a disease restricted, almost eliminated by vaccine, now widespread due to conspiracy theory fucktards. Go die you pathetic braindead extremist murdering propagandist shithead Bush shill.

    • hybridrogue1 says:

      Hahahaha AntiFuckWit, this site must be the ad hominem capital of the blogosphere.

      There is no such thing as ‘natural selection’ in a synthetic environment. the prerequisite conditions for natural selection is a natural environment.
      Have you had your anti-conspiracy vaccine this year? Watch out for toxic buildup and puss forming in your lymphatic system, your amygdala is obviously shrinking and your pineal is surely calcified from your fluoride intake.
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      • hybridrogue1 says:

        By the way the ‘fluoride’ referred to is, ‘aluminum fluoride’ ; a toxic waste product in the manufacture of aluminum. Aluminum is a well known carcinogenic, and fluoride poisoning has known adverse psychological and physiological effects. One of these discovered by Nazi doctors during WWII is apathy and tendency to submit to authority, which was used effectively for this purpose in the concentration camps.
        Long term exposure has worse side effects, such as dementia, autism, and other cognitive maladies.
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    • jenn says:

      Polio is widespread???? What planet are you living on fuckwit? 90 people in the World got polio last year – That means you had a 0.00000000129% chance of getting polio. Sounds like a vaccine is needed stat! Lmao

  10. jenn says:

    I agree Hybridrogue – ad hominem attacks are what the anti-conspiracy peeps are the very Best at 😉

  11. hybridrogue1 says:

    Hi Jenn,
    I was forwarded a PDF of this paper by on Anthony Lantian, another psychologist “with an interest in conspiracy theories”. I think you would be fascinated with this paper. I do not have a URL as the thing was sent as a URL to my mailbox – but a websearch will surely located it for you:
    . . . . . . . . . .
    ‘Précis of The illusion of conscious will’
    Daniel M. Wegner
    Department of Psychology, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138
    wegner@wjh.harvard.edu

    “One way to put them together is to say that the mechanistic approach is the explanation preferred scientific purposes, but that the person’s experience of conscious will is utterly convincing and important to the person – and so must be understood scientifically as well. The mechanisms underlying the experience of will are themselves a fundamental topic of scientific study.”~Wegner (2004)

    “One might assume that the experience of consciously willing an action and the causation of the action of the person’s mind are the same thing. As it turns out however, they are entirely distinct, and the tendency to confuse them is the source of the illusion of conscious will. So, to begin, we will need to look into each in turn, first examining will as an experience and then considering will as a causal force.”~Ibid

    ____________________My commentary so far:

    Just beginning my read of Wegner. I get it already, but he can’t stop there, the Taoists have already been there, done that. ALL is Maya. Like is not. All thought is metaphor.
    “It’s sort of like a beanstalk. Isn’t it?” – a Zen koan.

    So, “this scratches, and it scratches well – but that’s not where the itch is…”
    ~South American Shaman to a Christian Missionary

    “Will he go ’round in circles? Will he fly high like a bird up in the sky?”
    – pop song

    “The eternal Tao cannot be spoken” ~ Taoist sage

    Of course I shall continue to read this…but I see the limit of the circle already.
    I will report my conclusions when I have finished this.
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  12. dan says:

    The paperclip scientist created this chemical world. Backed and funded by the robber barons that run this world. Vaccines are designed to give you cancer. GMO’s do the same thing cancer and sterilization. I.G. Farben is Monsanto. This is the FINAL SOLUTION.

    • hybridrogue1 says:

      Dan my man,

      Put in a nutshell what you say is so true. And when the spell of electro-necromancy of the Public Relations Regime is finally broken; it will mean the final dilution of the final solution.
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  13. hybridrogue1 says:

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      • hybridrogue1 says:

        I find Dr Wakefield believable enough, but that Alex Jones certainly is a rude asshole.

        Do you seriously think that CNN would reveal anything detrimental to the Pharmaceutical Industry Killerguy? You think mainstream “news” tells the truth??? Lol

        You funny guy killah … hohohohehehehahaha
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      • The one I seriously doubt tells any truth is you, delusional doesn’t quite describe your state of mind. We need a new word for you.

      • hybridrogue1 says:

        Yes, the kids in the “psychology of conspiracy theory cult” want to convince their readership that “conspiracists” have an “emotional need” to “make sense” of a complex world beyond comprehension.
        This is distraction and put simply, BULLSHIT. A systemic analysis is certainly possible, and sense can be made of complex agendas if one is willing to put the work into the research. It is the agenda of the PSYOPS of such “anti-conspiracist psychology” to discourage such research. The history of CIA promoting the term “Conspiracy Theory” as a derogatory slur is well documented.
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  14. hybridrogue1 says:

    ‘Commercial influence and the content of medical journals’
    – by Joel Lexchin, associate professor and Donald W Light, professor

    Summary points

    “Most general and clinical medical journals do not have policies on conflicts of interest for their editors

    Articles published in sponsored journal supplements bring in substantial revenue for the publishers of journals

    Non-profit making doctors’ organisations may receive more revenue from advertising in journals than from members’ fees

    Journals do not seem to be able to survive without advertising

    Articles in medical journals that criticise the drug industry can result in substantial loss of advertising revenue

    Systematic research is needed to determine whether commercial interests influence the decisions of journal editors and owners

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    • hybridrogue1 says:

      “Publishing medical journals is not a charitable venture, even when the owners are non-profit making medical societies. Considerable financial resources are needed to publish high quality journals, and owners and editors are vulnerable to economic pressures that may threaten the intellectual integrity of their journals. The medical community should objectively and dispassionately investigate whether this concern is a reality.”
      ~Joel Lexchin, associate professor and Donald W Light, professor

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1479665/

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    • hybridrogue1 says:

      –“Articles in medical journals that criticise the drug industry can result in substantial loss of advertising revenue”~Joel Lexchin

      Strong Motive: One of the key points of forensic reasoning.

      –“Most general and clinical medical journals do not have policies on conflicts of interest for their editors”~Ibid

      Means and Opportunity: Another key point in forensic reasoning.

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  15. hybridrogue1 says:

    Electronic Media Voodoo Ritual

    “psychologically conditioned, the public will accept the stages of the New World Order as if they were self-evident.”~HG Wells

    “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

    From ‘Propaganda’ by Edward Bernays

    http://hybridrogue1.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/psyop-theater-v2/

  16. hybridrogue1 says:

    “Professor Greg Philo and his colleagues were shocked to find a public ignorance compounded by TV news reporting. The more people watched, the less they knew.
    Greg Philo says the problem is not “bias” as such…as an extension of the state and its vested interests — that critical facts and historical context are routinely suppressed.” ~John Pilger
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mainstream-media-propaganda-breaking-the-last-taboo-gaza-and-the-threat-of-world-war/5401275

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  20. scott ryan says:

    AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ TOP SECRET STRATEGIES.

    They could’ve done so much better in them 2 war. Sadly sabotage lead to Afghanistan demise. THEY DID THIS STRATEGY AT FIRST, THEN STOPPED DOING IT TO COVER IT UP WITH SABOTAGE.

    The Helmand offensive used this strategy below “unknown” ans it killed 1,000s of the taliban man and turned around the area. Not anymore stopped doing and handed the taliban the CIA and Army drones codes. Impossible for the taliban to get them let along Russia. Odds will be staggering and is beyond proof.

    There was a system first made in Iraq. It was my idea for full proof id cards. The Id cards take a photo of them and scan their fingerprint and eyes, and makes them a id card.

    What you do is make everyone an ID card in an area, so know knew people can move in.

    Once they attack in the area and get killed. It’s 100 less terrorist that can live in that area and walk around freely.

    What you do is set up traps to draw them 2 you before and after you make the id cards.

    The biggest problem in Afghanistan was the size of the country and amount of targets that could go for.

    How do you stop ramam attacks that could target any group of troops? You set up traps and draw them to your target’s.

    If the taliban see 30 MRAPs driving down 2 long roads every hour unto late a night. Where do you think they will plant an IED bomb?

    What you do is draw them to you to take away the random attacks. You know what they are going for now, and set up traps like that to draw them to you.

    We know it takes 1 hour to plant an IED bomb. You drive MRAPs down that road in 3rs every hour, not giving them time to plant an IED bomb. That means you can put a drone over that road at night time. The size/distance has been worked out. The drone speed is calculated and we know it takes 1 hour to plant 1. The drone will fly up and back waiting for them to plant an IED bomb.

    So when the taliban see MRAP after MRAP unto late at night. They will target that road 100%.

    That there will and did kill 1,000s of them. In helmand 2,000 IED planters got killed within 2 months…Know you know why.

    You also mix it up. Put a down over a road F all MRAPs dive down to make it russian roulette.

    Setting up traps isn’t just that. It’s deliberately building infrastructure out in the open, in an area you know they are. The Taliban always targets infrastructure and we have a drone overhead 24/7…. Trap dead 100drs of less Taliban man able to live in that area.

    What we have done is made a full proof system that kills them off. The taliban are being extinct and less people can live in the area and mix in. They can’t be replaced.

    The Afghanistan war would have been won. They deliberately didn’t because of the guy that come up with the strategy’s.

    Shoe us your Id cards every time you see someone and every car that goes past at a checkpoint. People walking out in the hills can’t just mix in now or be in areas. Id cards 24/7 now.

    The Iraq war could of been fully won but they didn’t want to win it. That would mean there troops would have left Iraq.

    To win the Iraq war in full. All they had to do was make pop up poll checkpoints. The cars drive into them and the back polls pop up. A trained sniffer dogs runs around the cars. Once cleared the car, it pulls up to the troops 40+ meters away.

    That there stop truck bombs attacks and checkpoint cops deaths. It also stops troops being put on the spot and letting them past when they pull up and say “pick” let us past or you’re dead. It also stops bribing…. Cameras at checkpoints. No excuses now

    The last attacks in Iraq where truck and car bombing and checkpoint deaths. That would have stop the very small last death and totally won the IRAQ WAR.

    They made billions of dollars from me and changed the law and left me on the doll, after i ruined my health from doing the strategies all day most days 18 hours a day.

    I have no medical condition and they are making it up. Easy meet me and they you will know. What law says what they claim can stop me from having money? Unless they passed a law after 2007.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    AMERICA COULD HAVE WON THE IRAQ WAR AND WON THE AFGHANISTAN WAR 2.

    Massive cover up is being done and it’s all probable.

    No surprise that the CIA sabotaged my strategy’s by handing the drone camera codes to the Taliban. They also didn’t put up the full proof checkpoints to stop the last attacks in Iraq….Deliberately.

    That’s right. The NAZIS CIA wanted Iraq that small % unstable, so the public and government didn’t want them out of Iraq.

    Pop up poles and blast proof cement wall checkpoints next to each other.

    The sniffer dogs runs around the car first, then once cleared they pull up to the troops 40 meters away.

    Once the sniffer dog runs around the cars without giving a signal of explosives. The front poles go down and the car and trucks pull up to the checkpoint.

    Very basic and clear how it would 100% works.

    Checkpoint death would be 0 from suicide car bombers. No cops can be put on the spot “pick” let me past or i’ll blow you up. It also stops bribing as it’s all on camera to see who let them past after the dog gave the signal and then they cleared it after that.

    The cement walls are bomb proof just like the blast proof cement walls trucks had to take all the way into the markets. No weapons that big can get into the area “like” anti aircraft gun just cruising around in the side streets lol….Joke.

    Cameras codes leaked out because i said fuck you stop using my strategy above…Setting up traps. That showed the taliban where the drones are so they knew where to plant ied bombs. The i said fuck you i will leave after i did that. If i have no money then you have none “sabotage” your economy and lose all your money or o will leave AU. That’s 100% what they did and why pros on tv said BS impossible. Impossible for 1,000s of investments to collapse at the same time, when they don’t even show results at the same time.

    They didn’t really lose all their money. The shares never went bust as it was impossible. They sabotaged it so they kept all that money and used it to bail every bank out. They went into fake debt and banked the money, as debt can be wiped off in a time of war and so on. The system can be proven to be a lie. If it was true they deliberately picked an about of shares to fail every year for the last 30 years, That would mean they deliberately did them all. If they system made the banks money to lose their money, they why did they pick 97% good shares every year? I could pick 100% bad shares easily. PROVEN SABOTAGE,

    The deal was to stop bugging and monitoring me and they haven’t stopped doing that. They broke the deal from the start and faked it anyway.

    They also Changed the law to stop me from making a claim for the money they made off my other ideas. The contractors made billions of dollars from my harder/better ideas and they changed the law putting a timeframe on it and bribed every American lawyer i contacted.

    All those thing happens weeks apart. Including them breaking into the police station losing evidence for me. It was all over the news. I asked for money after that, but because of the way i walked back then….Really bad. They couldn’t have me connected with that. That’s when i said fuck you sabotage this “they did” then i said fuck you sabotage your economy if i get no money. As in the gov loses money. They broke that deal from the start.

    1 week after i said i would leave AU 9 months ago. I said put something in my pillow to give me cancer because i will leave and go to Russia..It happened. 1 week after that a chemical was in my pillow that choked me and made me stop breathing for 1 min.

    Ps i have since told Russia everything. All the top secret strategies and i told them to go to war in syria to kill the terrorist IS….They did that 1 month after.

    I also told Russia to start selling weapons to all countries America has stopped them from, and that China cant just copy the tech. I made it clear America was doing that so they didn’t make $100drs of billions of dollars to make way better weapons. As you can see now Russia is selling all weapons around the world. Russia is doing everything i am saying to do.

    This video with the sabotage is 100% proof they have done something 2 me. Let’s just see “because” it was no coincidence and that they bribed that guy when i can prove it.

    I AM ACCUSING THEM OF GIVING ME CANCER, IT IT HAPPENED 1 WEEK AFTER SAYING TO DO IT….NO COINCIDENCE AT ALL.. They also cover up my blood test and the test disappeared, for what i said they did to me. The cops come over and forced me to have a medical where they bribed a guy. Part Of it was for what i said they did 2 me. The dr took the bloods but the test results are nowhere to be seen. They have done something 2 me and it’s a massive cover up. This video proves he was bribed as it’s no coincidence at all.

    If they show you any videos of me, ask to see the original 1s. If you watch the original 1, ask to see it from the start, not the parts after. Watch what lead to it when i was a drunk and being abused for 5 years before hand. I ain’t nothing like that anymore, and i saved well over 100k lives.

    The CIA AND ASIS ARE LIARS AND MURDERS.

    Go to oblique weapons on fb to watch all the videos and read it all. That’s if they haven’t covered it up or edited the videos and comments. https://www.facebook.com/Oblique-weapons-1668384160061114/

    They hate my guts so i set them up. I told them to do so many things when angry. 1 was to say they had been watching when i was a kid…lie. I am innocent of it and they new this.

    I haven’t hurt anyone or committed any crimes. My police record is clean from 18 up. I had ADD as a kid. Poor is proof.

  21. Narad says:

    There is absolutely no chemical justification for using Mercury and Aluminum in vaccines. There exist other preservatives and adjuvants that are better and safer,

    Thimerosal can be substituted with the safer and more effective phenoxyalcohol.

    Aluminum Phosphate/Hydroxide can be substituted with Calcium Phosphate/Hydroxide.

    These uses are largely historical. Even so, it is hard to believe that they haven’t been fully substituted by now.

    Eli Lilly disregarded its’ own toxicology studies on Thimerosal and continued allow its’ sale to vaccine producers.

    You can make a decent argument for inoculation, but you cannot deny the toxicity of these bio-accumalative metals. The half-life of mercury in the brain is so long that it becomes cost-prohibitive to measure. Toxicology and Chemistry are hard sciences, way harder than the more subjective and presumptive branches such as Pharmacology and Medicine.

    Does anyone want to make a case for Thimerosal in vaccines?? Are there any Eli Lilly Whores on the payroll here?

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